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RE the 2011 FAA waiver in Amesbury

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11 years 1 month ago #6528 by harrywoodell
RE the 2011 FAA waiver in Amesbury was created by harrywoodell
Are we still good to go to 4900' AGL on April 27? My J285 wants to know. Expecting 4100' altitude and 830' downrange at 20 MPH wind for recovery by dual deploy, closer if calmer. Seen a lot of rockets up the hill or in the swamp, so just askin'.

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11 years 1 month ago #6529 by billspad
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How did you get 830'? If you come in for the first 3800' at 200 fps and pop the chute at 300' and drop to 15 fps you're going to drift around 1200' if you don't snap the shock cord. If the wind is blowing from exactly the right direction you might be able to pull it off but in general 4100' with a 20 mph wind is a bad idea.

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11 years 1 month ago #6530 by harrywoodell
Replied by harrywoodell on topic Re: RE the 2011 FAA waiver in Amesbury
Starting at your last sentence, absolutely and I would not try it. That is worst case, adults don't try this in the field. Assuming no Initial drift upwind on boost and coast, the numbers for your flight event sequence goes like this:

Wind speed 29.33 feet/second

Apogee 4000 feet
Main deploy 200 feet
Distance 3800 feet
Drogue Velocity 200 feet/second (!)
Drogue Time 19 seconds
Drogue drift 557 feet

Main deploy 200 feet (!)
Ground 0 feet
Distance 200 feet
Main velocity 15 feet/second
Main time 13.33 second
Main drift 391 feet

Total downwind drift 948 feet
Total upwind drift 0 feet
Total drift 948 feet

I don't know if just having the airframe separated in two halves joined by 25' of shock cord could fly as fast as 200 feet per second, but that is a brutal drogue velocity.

From my assumptions:
Apogee 4000 feet
Main deploy 400 feet
Distance 3600 feet
Drogue Velocity 90 feet/second
Drogue Time 40 second
Drogue drift 1173.33 feet

Main deploy 400 feet
Ground 0 feet
Distance 400 feet
Main velocity 24 feet/second
Main time 16.67 second
Main drift 488.89 feet

Total downwind drift 1662.22 feet
Total upwind drift -785.00 feet
Total drift 877.22 feet

The big difference is accounting for the upwind drift during boost and coast due to weathercocking at such a high wind speed with vmax "only" at around 450 feet/second. I don't know if that is a realistic number but that's what the sim says.

Be that as it may, no way I will launch it on bigger than an "H" without sending a few sounding rockets up to measure time and distance of drift and seeing that it will not be a problem. A custom rockets Galaxy on 12" chute and C11 to start would give the main chute altitude to ground average wind velocity, and D12 and E15 if warranted (and calm enough to recover it!) to get some upper level measurements.

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11 years 1 month ago #6531 by billspad
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The problem with the upwind drift if that it's only useful to you if the wind is blowing from the swamp towards the parking area. Aiming a little towards the swamp will put you in a good place if the chute comes out and in a safe place if it doesn't. It the winds is blowing in any other direction aiming the rocket so that it goes over either the house or the condo is not acceptable for obvious reasons.

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11 years 1 month ago #6532 by SnowLion
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I am expecting to fly the Purple Pterodactyl for my L2 cert flight on April 27. I need the 15/15 rail since the beast comes in @ around 28 pounds. I plan on tossing it up on a CTI 1266J760 which should get it 800 to 1,200 feet up. The sims say a 9 second delay (the shortest for that motor) should be good but I think it'll be a little long. With the low altitude I don't think drift should be that much of an issue.

Just a heads up for the rail & any L2 peeps for witness(es).

See you all then.
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11 years 1 month ago #6533 by billspad
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The rail and pad for are in the trailer.

No electronics in the rocket?

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